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LetsGoRoMo

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Curious to everyone's thoughts/opinions. I think we all can see/guess that RMU bball is going to facilitate a change in conference. The end goal is not NEC with the new arena coming.

RMU also does not have enough $$ to really dump money into more than 2 male sports in my opinion. So I think the choices are 2 of football, basketball, ice hockey, and lacrosse. Lacrosse and ice hockey are kind of niche sports, but an influx of money/facilities can put rmu on more of national stage than they already are. Adding to this, if upgrades for men's hockey would also improve the incredibly successful women's ice team. Also seems like those teams have done more with less.

Lacrosse has had a lot of good wins, and have a lot of pros.

Now an improvement to JW stadium would also be an improvement for men's and women's lacrosse.

Guess I would like to know what admin is thinking. The bball team will determine conference basically from what I gather, will admin take that opportunity to drop football to pioneer league? Spend more on travel but save schollys and dump that into hoops and hockey?
 
Curious to everyone's thoughts/opinions. I think we all can see/guess that RMU bball is going to facilitate a change in conference. The end goal is not NEC with the new arena coming.

RMU also does not have enough $$ to really dump money into more than 2 male sports in my opinion. So I think the choices are 2 of football, basketball, ice hockey, and lacrosse. Lacrosse and ice hockey are kind of niche sports, but an influx of money/facilities can put rmu on more of national stage than they already are. Adding to this, if upgrades for men's hockey would also improve the incredibly successful women's ice team. Also seems like those teams have done more with less.

Lacrosse has had a lot of good wins, and have a lot of pros.

Now an improvement to JW stadium would also be an improvement for men's and women's lacrosse.

Guess I would like to know what admin is thinking. The bball team will determine conference basically from what I gather, will admin take that opportunity to drop football to pioneer league? Spend more on travel but save schollys and dump that into hoops and hockey?
RMU prioritized basketball because it has the largest revenue potential - both at a national level and from a regional standpoint. Getting to the NCAA Tournament and earning a win share (even from the play-in game) brings the NEC an extra $1.67 million, which can in turn trickle down to the individual schools.

The football playoffs, hockey tournament, or lacrosse tournament don't bring in that kind of money. So you're absolutely right in that the idea is to bring basketball up to a level that is attractive to other mid-major conferences that have better competition and more regional interest than the NEC. I think the Horizon is a perfect fit in terms of stature even if the teams in the league are mostly public schools with larger enrollments.

I think, eventually, the so-called No. 2 sport at RMU will be hockey. Lacrosse is just such a niche sport that it will never bring in enough revenue to be worth a substantial investment. The problem with football is that even if the team becomes successful at the NEC level again, it has nowhere to go. The CAA and MVC are just so far ahead in terms of budgets and stadium size. Also, even the FCS playoffs aren't lucrative at the level of the NCAA tournament. Remember, even FBS programs often lose money on bowl games - how do you think the FCS teams are doing?

Ideally, I think football settles in as a team that is competitive every year in the NEC but helps pay for itself with occasional games against the MAC like it's doing against Buffalo and Bowling Green in 2019 and 2020.

That leaves hockey. It's flirted with national rankings. It's already competitive in the AHC on an annual basis. I think improving on the Island Sports Center or building a new hockey rink would be the next major project. Probably 10 years down the road if RMU can get into a new multi-sport conference and increase its revenue. Then they can use some of that general revenue to work with hockey. I just don't know what they could do the ISC or where they could possibly build a new arena.
 
Colonial insider, think that makes most sense. Assuming nec would keep football, do you think it's nec with the limited scholarships or pioneer?

Edit: does one MAC or similar game pay for football scholarships?
 
Colonial insider, think that makes most sense. Assuming nec would keep football, do you think it's nec with the limited scholarships or pioneer?

Edit: does one MAC or similar game pay for football scholarships?
Doubtful. I can't imagine Buffalo or Bowling Green paying more than $500,000 and probably closer to $300,000.

The football budget is like $2.5 million. Tuition and room and board is over $40,000. So for the NEC max of 45 athletic scholarships, it'd be $1.8 million. But it'll definitely help with travel and other expenses, for sure.

The NEC is by far the better fit, even with scholarship costs. Pioneer league just doesn't make sense geographically.
 
Agreed. Hope NEC will keep them.
At this point, RMU has the advantage. The NEC can easily adjust in basketball by going to a 16-game schedule with its 9 remaining teams.

But in football, if it kicks RMU out and drops to a 6-team league, there aren't any likely additions. Marist doesn't want to pay scholarships. All the other Pioneer League teams are much farther west. Maybe you can convince a MEAC school to join, but the most likely one (Hampton) just left for the Big South.

Meanwhile, if the NEC denies RMU an associate bid, RMU can survive regionally for a year or two as an independent and probably fit into the Big South. It'd be a lot more travel, but you'd have Monmouth and Hampton as okay bus rides. The others would be pretty long trips to Georgia and South Carolina and Alabama.
 
Curious to everyone's thoughts/opinions. I think we all can see/guess that RMU bball is going to facilitate a change in conference. The end goal is not NEC with the new arena coming.

RMU also does not have enough $$ to really dump money into more than 2 male sports in my opinion. So I think the choices are 2 of football, basketball, ice hockey, and lacrosse. Lacrosse and ice hockey are kind of niche sports, but an influx of money/facilities can put rmu on more of national stage than they already are. Adding to this, if upgrades for men's hockey would also improve the incredibly successful women's ice team. Also seems like those teams have done more with less.

Lacrosse has had a lot of good wins, and have a lot of pros.

Now an improvement to JW stadium would also be an improvement for men's and women's lacrosse.

Guess I would like to know what admin is thinking. The bball team will determine conference basically from what I gather, will admin take that opportunity to drop football to pioneer league? Spend more on travel but save schollys and dump that into hoops and hockey?

The 3 main sports would be Basketball, hockey, & football.

RMU is definitely looking at a new confercence. With only 1 or 2 teams with a KenPom or RPI rating below 200. Gotta get basketball to a better conference. Thankfully it looks like we're finally back to our winning ways. Winning & a brand new arena will make moving up to a new league not too difficult IMO.

Go RMU
 
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Doubtful. I can't imagine Buffalo or Bowling Green paying more than $500,000 and probably closer to $300,000.

The football budget is like $2.5 million. Tuition and room and board is over $40,000. So for the NEC max of 45 athletic scholarships, it'd be $1.8 million. But it'll definitely help with travel and other expenses, for sure.

The NEC is by far the better fit, even with scholarship costs. Pioneer league just doesn't make sense geographically.
The football team received more than $300,000 for playing North Dakota State. I would guess a MAC school would pay more than a half million.
 
The Pioneer League is the lowest rated of all football leagues. Not sure they have zero scholarship costs. UD signed 36 freshmen last year on so called academic scholarships. That plus their travel expenses etc may add up to what RMU contributes to their football program.
 
They have to, to make it worth an FCS team's effort and expense to fly out there, and take a beating in front of 18,000 rabid North Dakota State fans. They schedule an FCS school as a tune up to the start of their conference. They have beaten six straight FBS schools, including Iowa two years ago when they were ranked. I would guess most FCS schools do not want to play them, so they have to pay up to get an FCS school to play them in the Fargo Dome.
 
Patriot League would be awesome for hoops and football
That would be a step up for both basketball and football. Following league rankings for FCS football prior to 2017 season:
Here's a ranking of the 13 FCS conferences heading into the 2017 season:

13. Pioneer Football League (11 teams)

The non-scholarship PFL always struggles to make big strides nationally, but it did last season with league champion San Diego earning the league's first-ever playoff win, 35-21 over Big Sky member Cal Poly. The Toreros still deserve the favorite's role this year, but Dayton and Drake finished on seven- and four-game winning streaks, respectively, and bring that momentum into this season. The PFL often dips below the Division I level for games, but at least it was 13-1 against those teams a year ago.

12. Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference (11 teams)

Having surged ahead of the Southwestern Athletic Conference in the rivalry between the two historically black leagues of the FCS, the MEAC slipped last season, punctuated by an 0-10 record against out-of-conference FCS teams and Bethune-Cookman and South Carolina State not being their usually strong selves. But the rivalry between North Carolina Central (which has won a share of three straight titles) and North Carolina A&T has never been better.

11. Southwestern Athletic Conference (10 teams)

The West Division teams carried the SWAC last year, but a season with better health should make 2014 and '15 conference champ Alcorn State dangerous again. Grambling State won last year's conference title and went on to win the Air Force Reserve Celebration Bowl. The Tigers will push for those same honors again. Southern and Prairie View A&M keep the West best again.

10. Northeast Conference (7 teams)

No NEC team has gone unbeaten in conference play since former member Albany went 7-0 in 2008. The way its teams consistently knock each other off underscores why national rankings continue to elude the membership. In recent years, Duquesne has been the most consistent program under coach Jerry Schmidt, but fellow co-champ Saint Francis won last year's head-to-head meeting before claiming its first NEC title and playoff bid. Wagner was the only NEC team to take down Saint Francis.

9. Ivy League (8 teams)

The last 10 league titles have included either Harvard or Penn, if not both, so there's no reason not to expect them to be a part of this year's title hunt. Princeton, which shared last year's title with Penn, will continue to have an explosive offense and make for another three-team race. The other teams incorporated young players into the mix last season, so there is a chance for some upsets this year.

8. Patriot League (6 teams)

This might be too low of a ranking because defending champion Lehigh and Fordham (behind FCS rushing champion Chase Edmonds) should both make the playoffs this season. Both teams will be among the highest scoring in the FCS, although, like the rest of the league, they have to improve defensively. Colgate always does well when expectations are down, and they are after finishing only 5-5 and then losing many experienced players.

7. Ohio Valley Conference (9 teams)

Although Jacksonville State doesn't appear as strong as recent seasons, it has gone undefeated in conference play for three straight seasons. The Gamecocks' final two regular-season games will be against UT Martin and Tennessee State, the other expected playoff contenders. However, the OVC needs to do better in the postseason than last season. Jacksonville State was the only qualifier and it squandered the No. 3 playoff seed by losing in the round of 16.

6. Big South (6 teams)

The Big South enjoyed a solid 2016 season, but there was not a dominant team and playoff representative Charleston Southern lost in the first round. The Buccaneers should be in a two-team title race with Kennesaw State because Liberty is transitioning toward the FBS level in 2018. It's the always awkward departure as Liberty will be above the FCS scholarship maximum and although the Flames are ineligible for the conference title and a playoff bid, its games will count in the Big South standings.

5. Southland Conference (11 teams)

One college football annual has Sam Houston State winning the FCS title this season. It's a bit of a stretch considering how the Bearkats' deep postseason runs generally end in ugly fashion, but their returning firepower - led by senior quarterfinal Jeremiah Briscoe, the 2016 STATS FCS Walter Payton Award winner - may give them the nation's best offense. Central Arkansas figures to keep pace with the Bearkats in the conference title race again. McNeese will jump back into the title mix with an easier schedule (rival Sam Houston is not on it) and Southeastern Louisiana and Nicholls have high hopes. It should be a good season for the Southland.

4. Southern Conference (9 teams)

In having four playoff teams for the first time last season, the SoCon rose in a huge way. The Citadel may be hard-pressed to win a third straight title after suffering heavy personnel losses, which could make Wofford, a surprise quarterfinalist last season, the favorite. Chattanooga remains a power despite a coaching change (Russ Huesman to Tom Arth) and Samford has the SoCon's reigning offensive player of the year in quarterback Devlin Hodges. The wild card is Mercer, which needs consistency, but has enough veterans to beat any team in the conference.

3. Big Sky (13 teams)

It bodes well for the largest FCS conference that seven different members have received playoff bids in one of the last two seasons. Eastern Washington's pedigree is unmatched in the conference, with last year's semifinal appearance its fourth of the decade, including the 2010 national title. But North Dakota won a share of last year's title with the Eagles and it gets to host this year's matchup. After those two, the pecking order can be picked from a hat between the likes of Cal Poly, Weber State, Northern Arizona (which gets back stud quarterback Case Cookus from injury), Southern Utah and longtime power Montana, which had a rare losing record in conference play a year ago.

2. CAA Football (12 teams)

The defending national champion doesn't always deserve to be the preseason No. 1 the following season, but James Madison does as it could win back-to-back titles under second-year coach Mike Houston. The other teams that finished in the top five in the conference race last season - Villanova, New Hampshire, Richmond and Maine - all have to play at JMU this season. Albany was one of the last two teams left out of the playoff field and hopes to get there this season. Delaware figures to be on its way back behind former Richmond coach Danny Rocco.

1. Missouri Valley Football Conference (10 teams)

The Valley was the only conference to place three teams in the quarterfinals last season, and the one that reached the final, Youngstown State, only finished third in the regular season behind North Dakota State and South Dakota State. The defending co-champs are the favorites again and should be in everybody's top 5 entering the season. SDSU simply needs to avoid facing the Bison in the playoffs, having been eliminated by them in three of the last five postseasons. Youngstown State is reloading under coach Bo Pelini. Add in Illinois State, Northern Iowa and Western Illinois and the Valley schedule is a gauntlet of Top 25 teams.
 
If Patriot only has 6 members for football, you'd think they would be looking to add. Also, perhaps with some of RMUs new academic rankings might make RMU more attractive.

I think ideally, though not likely would be CAA or Patriot .
 
In order for the football team to compete in the CAA or Patriot the strength program must improve. Drastic changes are needed in the weightroom. Defensive players are on skates the entire game getting driven off the ball. Inside linebackers making plays 5 to 10 yards downfield is not good. Def line getting pushed back creating running lanes for the offense is due to the lack of strength STRENGTH PROGRAM MUST IMPROVE THE COLONIALS ARE PHYSICALLY WEAKER THAN THE TEAMS THEY ARE PLAYING
 
A lot of good discussion here. I too think hoops and hockey will be the driving force. With that in mind, you almost wonder if football/conference will matter in the long run. Finding a home might not take much priority, and as someone mentioned above, a year or two as an independent might be in line and then a more permanent home.

I think the basketball program should be very picky. We all realize that to take the next step as a program (and ultimately the athletic department as a whole), an upgrade is needed. But life has been pretty good in the NEC. Multiple championships in many different sports, big games against premier programs, and not just the Men's bball program. The Men's hockey team (I know not NEC, but still) has played in some huge games on ESPN (not a huge hockey guy but remember going nuts for the NCAA game vs Minnesota). Women's hoops has played in multiple NEC titles and NCAA games, and of course the Men's program has wins over UK and St.John's along with a bunch of NEC title game appearances under Toole. If I'm RMU, I'm waiting for the next slew of conference realignment changes. I think Wichita State and Valpo started that wave last summer. Let them come to you, where you may have multiple opportunities, and take the best one for you.

Summing that up, I guess at the end of the day, I would rather be Robert Morris in the NEC, than say Fordham, Marist, etc.
 
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A lot of good discussion here. I too think hoops and hockey will be the driving force. With that in mind, you almost wonder if football/conference will matter in the long run. Finding a home might not take much priority, and as someone mentioned above, a year or two as an independent might be in line and then a more permanent home.

I think the basketball program should be very picky. We all realize that to take the next step as a program (and ultimately the athletic department as a whole), an upgrade is needed. But life has been pretty good in the NEC. Multiple championships in many different sports, big games against premier programs, and not just the Men's bball program. The Men's hockey team (I know not NEC, but still) has played in some huge games on ESPN (not a huge hockey guy but remember going nuts for the NCAA game vs Minnesota). Women's hoops has played in multiple NEC titles and NCAA games, and of course the Men's program has wins over UK and St.John's along with a bunch of NEC title game appearances under Toole. If I'm RMU, I'm waiting for the next slew of conference realignment changes. I think Wichita State and Valpo started that wave last summer. Let them come to you, where you may have multiple opportunities, and take the best one for you.

Summing that up, I guess at the end of the day, I would rather be Robert Morris in the NEC, than say Fordham, Marist, etc.

Good point...we can definitely move up but ultimately it'd be better to dominate the NEC than suck in the A-10. Hopefully the NEC can get better but I'm not sure about that.

Also, with only 1 team (generally) getting an NCAA Tournament bid in a mid-major conference, RMU shouldn't move to a league with say 13-15 teams in it. Just too many to compete with.

Ideally joining up with 9-11 teams wouldn't be too bad.

We'll see what happens.

~Go RMU
 
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