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Can RMU afford football, hockey or being D-1?

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According to RMU Sentry Media President Howard has announced the elimination of a number of administrative positions at RMU so that expenses will not exceed revenues at the University. At a time when costs need to be reevaluated, would someone please remind me the benefits to RMU of having such expensive sports as football and hockey? Playing football at the FCS level is extremely expensive. Considering the average attendance is only 1,500 there obviously is not much interest in the program by students, alumni or community people. For that matter, does it make sense for the RMU athletic program to be D-I?
 
According to RMU Sentry Media President Howard has announced the elimination of a number of administrative positions at RMU so that expenses will not exceed revenues at the University. At a time when costs need to be reevaluated, would someone please remind me the benefits to RMU of having such expensive sports as football and hockey? Playing football at the FCS level is extremely expensive. Considering the average attendance is only 1,500 there obviously is not much interest in the program by students, alumni or community people. For that matter, does it make sense for the RMU athletic program to be D-I?

Yes it makes sense

If anything, drop the football program.

The hockey & basketball programs have been doing very well at D1.
 
You don't returf the field to drop a level in football. You don't sign an apparel deal with UA to drop a level. You don't have one of the best WPIAL recruiting classes in the past God knows how long to drop a level and the new President is a football player. Good luck getting the football program to take a back seat or step down after all that's happened in the past year. I love how we have to be divided can't we agree that all programs need help except for hockey. My argument to Basketball would be keep key players around and have more than one great season to stand behind. Drop basketball to D-II since that's the only talent that stays for more than 1 yr.
 
You don't returf the field to drop a level in football. You don't sign an apparel deal with UA to drop a level. You don't have one of the best WPIAL recruiting classes in the past God knows how long to drop a level and the new President is a football player. Good luck getting the football program to take a back seat or step down after all that's happened in the past year. I love how we have to be divided can't we agree that all programs need help except for hockey. My argument to Basketball would be keep key players around and have more than one great season to stand behind. Drop basketball to D-II since that's the only talent that stays for more than 1 yr.

You definitely don't drop basketball either.,

Keep all the sports (Basketball, football, & Hockey) and let them grow....


Go Bobby Mo...
 
M4Fam did a great job of making the case that the RMU administration is not considering dropping football. My question is why? Why not consider dropping football or hockey or dropping the entire athletic program to D-II or D-III? RMU is an extremely small school to be competing at the D-I level. The costs of operating a D-I program are extremely high, and revenues generated by lower tier D-I programs are very low. Obviously, considering attendance, ticket sales revenue for RMU sporting events is insignificant. TV and other such revenues that higher level programs greatly benefit from cannot be significant at lower tier programs. There may be a few hundred students that faithfully attend the football and basketball games regularly, but when the athletic department wants a big turnout, the students need to be offered food and special events to get a good showing. Alumni and people in the community regularly attending games is limited. For football we are talking about five or six home events per year. At least one or two of those will be on days when the weather is less than desirable. If the team is having a losing season, people are less interested in attending the last game or two. When the weather is nice and the team is winning it can be absolutely wonderful to attend an RMU football game with a "big" turnout of a few thousand people. Is it worth it for those rare perfect game settings? A lot of private colleges are struggling financially. The competition for students and maintaining enrollment is brutal. Private colleges cannot just keep increasing tuition to cover expenses. The costs are becoming unaffordable for students. Hey, I am a RMU sports fan, I say keep all of the sports, increase their budgets to make them more competitive with larger programs. If it bankrupts the school, it's no loss to me, it will be fun while it lasts. However, if i were a tuition paying student, and i see tuition being increased once again this year, while some staff positions are being eliminated, I would be wondering why the University spends millions on a D-I athletic program. As M4Fam pointed out, there does not seem to be any likelihood of football being dropped. Plans are underway for a new basketball arena, so there apparently is no consideration for dropping basketball from D-I. The people in the RMU administration are a whole lot smarter than me. So what am I missing? What is the benefit of RMU spending millions and millions of dollars on a D-I athletic department that only a few of us really care about?
 
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M4Fam did a great job of making the case that the RMU administration is not considering dropping football. My question is why? Why not consider dropping football or hockey or dropping the entire athletic program to D-II or D-III? RMU is an extremely small school to be competing at the D-I level. The costs of operating a D-I program are extremely high, and revenues generated by lower tier D-I programs are very low. Obviously, considering attendance, ticket sales revenue for RMU sporting events is insignificant. TV and other such revenues that higher level programs greatly benefit from cannot be significant at lower tier programs. There may be a few hundred students that faithfully attend the football and basketball games regularly, but when the athletic department wants a big turnout, the students need to be offered food and special events to get a good showing. Alumni and people in the community regularly attending games is limited. For football we are talking about five or six home events per year. At least one or two of those will be on days when the weather is less than desirable. If the team is having a losing season, people are less interested in attending the last game or two. When the weather is nice and the team is winning it can be absolutely wonderful to attend an RMU football game with a "big" turnout of a few thousand people. Is it worth it for those rare perfect game settings? A lot of private colleges are struggling financially. The competition for students and maintaining enrollment is brutal. Private colleges cannot just keep increasing tuition to cover expenses. The costs are becoming unaffordable for students. Hey, I am a RMU sports fan, I say keep all of the sports, increase their budgets to make them more competitive with larger programs. If it bankrupts the school, it's no loss to me, it will be fun while it lasts. However, if i were a tuition paying student, and i see tuition being increased once again this year, while some staff positions are being eliminated, I would be wondering why the University spends millions on a D-I athletic program. As M4Fam pointed out, there does not seem to be any likelihood of football being dropped. Plans are underway for a new basketball arena, so there apparently is no consideration for dropping basketball from D-I. The people in the RMU administration are a whole lot smarter than me. So what am I missing? What is the benefit of RMU spending millions and millions of dollars on a D-I athletic department that only a few of us really care about?

RMU is trying to move up as a school, and not down.

The past presidents goal was to move RMU up in the world of popularity and Name recognition, and also in the sports world too.

Dropping down from D1 after being fairly successful for a good while seems kind of dumb.


Maybe they should open up to a semi-private school instead and accept some federal money ???
 
Past RMU presidents lived in a world where overall college enrollments were growing and students were tolerating taking on more and more debt.
Demographics, plus students' tolerance for debt has changed. For the University to incur unnecessary costs that increase tuition costs for students is a ticking
time bomb. If tuition and other student costs continue to rise, it is only a matter of time until enrollment takes a big dip. That would put RMU in a very precarious
position. The federal government does not fund colleges, other than the U.S. military academies, states do. Pennsylvania funds its state schools but with the
expectation of keeping tuition low, not to fund athletic programs. The Pennsylvania state schools have been disappointed by the lack of funding from Harrisburg in recent years.
Pennsylvania is not going to take on another school to help support.
 
Another thing that can be done to help drive student attendance is do what Liberty and some other private schools do, give a credit for attendance to sporting events. The students would have a set amount of sporting events they can mix and match per their discretion to attended per semester, they check in before and out after the games and are awarded the semester credit. It teaches planning and socialization much better than most students think an iPhone does. Plus it drives concessions and apperal revenue up and at the end of the day any revenue stream is a good revenue stream. Then like in any sport when teams are doing well attendance takes care of itself.
 
Another thing that can be done to help drive student attendance is do what Liberty and some other private schools do, give a credit for attendance to sporting events. The students would have a set amount of sporting events they can mix and match per their discretion to attended per semester, they check in before and out after the games and are awarded the semester credit. It teaches planning and socialization much better than most students think an iPhone does. Plus it drives concessions and apperal revenue up and at the end of the day any revenue stream is a good revenue stream. Then like in any sport when teams are doing well attendance takes care of itself.

I like the idea actually...

Get the students out of their dorms and into the stands.

Would you require the commuter students to go to less games than those staying on campus?


All in all, RMU should implement this
 
Since this thread is getting a good many views, let me clarify a few things. I am sincere in bringing up the issues mentioned. However, as I mentioned, the people in the RMU administration are a whole lot smarter than I am, they also have access to a whole lot more relevant information than I do and consider issues related to what's best for the University on a daily basis. As previously mentioned, there is absolutely no indication that the administration has any plans to drop football or hockey or to drop from D-!. I trust the judgement of the administration in doing what's best for the University and its students. I was hoping someone would provide a very strong and logical defense for RMU being D-I stating the benefits it provides that hopefully are in excess of the costs. I am also hoping to post enough on this site to keep the interest alive until Rivals wakes up and installs a publisher that actually is interested in RMU sports and will work on this site.
 
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Thank you Sallycham. It's good to hear from you. Your contributions to this site are always excellent and appreciated. Hopefully we can get some good threads going soon regarding the football team and the upcoming season. I have heard very little, but I gather there is a lot of optimism.
 
Isnt it officially Football Season!!!!. I agree with the need for more football articles. I have to admit I am slightly slanted that way but I am a sports fanatic and will read a good sports article or watch a ping pong match if it's competitive. This could be a great year for Bobby Mo and I'm excited for all sports this upcoming 2016-2017 seasons.
 
Isnt it officially Football Season!!!!. I agree with the need for more football articles. I have to admit I am slightly slanted that way but I am a sports fanatic and will read a good sports article or watch a ping pong match if it's competitive. This could be a great year for Bobby Mo and I'm excited for all sports this upcoming 2016-2017 seasons.

I agree...

The big three (Basketball, Football, & Hockey) could all be good this year.


Go RMU
 
Longest thread in a long time on this site. Love the enthusiasm. I hope GoRMU is right and we get some articles to thread about instead of creating every one in the past month.
 
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